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The ULTIMATE VIVITAR 285HV PAGE
Lots of noise is being made about the 285HV Vivitars. I
have been familiar with this flash almost as long as I have owned cameras.
I got my first Vivitar 285 in the early seventies
as a primary light source to use on my Nikon Film Cameras. Almost three and a
half decades later I’m still using them for the tough shots where I need
something that does what I want it to do and not what it thinks it ought to do.
I have fixed, altered, repaired, changed, modified, and electrocuted myself
working on this particular model. And I like to control things, so all you
aficionados of the "P" mode and total auto TTL need not bother with some of the
ideas. It does something really nice. It’s called "Manual Mode".
We
take manual mode for granted and having spent a good portion of my
life in the lab have seen the results. With an affectionate tone,
I’m
also the one that coined the phrase “the cockroach” strobe since it’s been around for
decades and you never can kill one... well most can't.
I have shown the 285HV on my website for
almost twenty-five years while producing a battery pack that I built and worked specifically with
it. In it's day, I called it the Jacobs Battery Pack. Today it’s
called "The Black Box” and they work on anything with six volt technology.
The older 285HV's are strong, can take a fair amount of abuse and many are still
around. BUT be aware of some of the older ones shortcomings. Read on.
These "workhorse" strobe units were manufactured in four countries, Japan,
Taiwan, Korea and now the mainland China. They have been around in various
sub-models and incarnations since the 70’s. Though similar in shape, size, and
function, they differ in sync voltage, the inner green boards are different which can be very dangerous to the newer
digitals, and other not so easily noticeable really
subtle changes.
The
newer 285HV (B&H) units are more adapted to the lower sync constraints of
the newer digitals. BUT there are issues that effect all units
regardless of manufacture. ANY and I repeat ANY strobe can be pushed
beyond it's limits. There is a group of sports shooters out there
burning their Nikon SB-800's into oblivion or the yellow tube of death.
The Canon 550-580 series flashes simply die. Burnt motherboards from
too rapid a use. My packs thus do not use acceleration are only
slightly slower ( milliseconds to a full second but there is less a chance
of burn out or burn up. I try to make my products "idiot proof"
unfortunately as my friend Marc says the some of the idiots are working
overtime to correct the situation.
In the original models from Japan ‘70-’82 the sync voltage didn’t matter as the
cameras had heavy duty mechanical metal triggers. This high sync voltage will fry a new
digital camera. The voltage does vary by age of the unit. Funny but after
taking a few new ones apart, I found the Japanese Dark Blue 305-320 capacitor
which oddly has shown up in some of the newer mainland Chinese models. Same
product for 35 years or they had a lot in stock. Most modern digital SLR’s and
advanced compact digitals like the Fuji 7000-9000 series can’t tolerate high
voltage from the likes of the early Japanese versions of this strobe.
FEATURES:
The 285HV regardless of
vintage does not have I-ETTL or E-ETTL or any other letter of
the alphabet. (Good) It does have an on-board sensor, basically a light to
subject and squelching circuit that have various manual and auto settings.
Ancient, but works.
This is light of a very simple, subject to distance nature, and in shutter
speed mode you can control the amount of background illumination by simply altering
the shutter speed. Slower the speed the lighter the background.
The
only other mode or alternate mode is Automatic. In the automatic mode, you have
several colored settings that correspond to F stop and distance scales on the
lighted side bar computer. It’s primitive, but it works. Especially when
you gang these guys up and use them in teams of up to ½ dozen or more.
Where? For really big shoots of big items with long time exposures like Lear jets,
Fire
trucks and Large boats at night using time exposure and manual flashing.
Similar to painting at night. We have triggered as many as ten of these
guys using a piece of board with nails and wires just like they set off
pyrotechnics and cheap third world bombs. I knew my military
experience would become useful to me one day. Our motto was "Be all that you
can Bomb". We have also placed these in corner of a
room and made a 360 lighting setup. Just shoot it's the same all over. They
excel in this mode as a standalone because of the variable manual and auto
range settings. And they work great independently either by optical or radio slave.
Great for side illumination on dance floors, large Wedding venues and
Quinceañera's.
INSIDER
STUFF
The newest model
of the 285HV is back by DEMAND. Rarely do I believe
much in press releases in the Photo industry since have been in it 50 years or
more and I write about people, places and things. Especially after digital era started.
Different venue, different slick faces and you have to take it one blurb at a
time. I know what I see on the bench.
Vivitar Corporation is basically
out of the flash game as are many aftermarket companies. Some just don't
know it. When your best
seller is a forty year old design it tells you something. It's tough to do
aftermarket in a hot competitive arena with two giants and some also-rans
changing the gear specs faster than a hooker getting out of her clothes in Nevada.
I
don't blame them. Cameras come in too many
models, too many changes, and too much retooling and competition. The 285HV is now
literally a B&H, Adorama, Calumet item. The
build of this old/ new model is still all plastic, almost the same on the
outside but now the changes start.
The new one is made in China. How do you tell? The country of origin used
to stamped or molded on the bottom next to the hotshoe used to say JAPAN, KOREA
and TAIWAN or CHINA, now it says nothing. The molds were redone and the
nameplate indentation erased. You can see the fill-in job if you look closely.
It
only says CHINA on the box now meaning SOMETIMES UNPREDICTABLE QUALITY from our friends with the
dubious quality control and working conditions.
It has a plastic single pin hotshoe. I suggest changing the plastic shoe when they chip or crack
or if you contemplate using Pocket Wizards. The main reason for
changing is The sync cords from
Vivitar for their ports are proprietary, and they stink. Never have they been
consistent or instilled confidence. They are not proprietary with most 1/8, 3.5, or mini-pins.
the metal foot as shown has a HD synch connection.
The
breadboards are typical Chinese quality, cheap but they work.
They are not the same quality of the Japanese
Malaysian, Korean, versions. They just WAL-MARTED my favorite
off camera strobe. The
metal foot can help in some cases solving the weakness and
continuity problems with a better sync port or the Pocket wizard
conversion. Both Black Boxes and
Tuxedos will power the Vivitar 285HV's and they also make great
kickers and hair lights. READ THE DISCLAIMER.
We have and eBay is flooded with inexpensive $7.00 feet that are
metal, and obviously stronger plus it contains a Standard PC Synch Port and a
better nylon screw-lock. (See Photo)
Our brothers in India ( I think ) did a fine job with
this knockoff, crude but they work. You can also blow $50.00 on one of the
higher level ported shoes but they won't accomplish anything except blow the
frugality angle to bits.
Caution: I change about five or six of these a day and though it appears simple
there are pitfalls. The contacts have to be roughed up, the wires are 24 gauge
and you will melt them in a second and regular flux won't work as expected.
Quality of the metal used.
DISCLAIMER
NOTE: With so many of these new Chinese units showing up, I will tell you ahead of time there is
some, not a lot of
inconsistency in the green light red light setup on the back,
LEDS do that. About 2 out of a hundred. Some are fast blinkers, some stay solid, and
before you take that first shot that counts, flash the strobe
five times to "form" the capacitor. It is caused by
what mode you are in and the manufacturers quality control.
In addition I suspect that these newer
units might not have the fortitude their predecessors exhibited in the
past. Translation: These late units from China might not have the same
invulnerability the older units have had because of internal board
changes and again, the integrity of the builder country.
Whereas in the last four decades it was rare to see a 285 HV that failed
period, I have seen several right out of the box fail or fail
after a short amount of usage. It's hard to pinpoint because
in the last couple of years they were slow movers and now thousands are
being sold. To date two have failed I received back to test out of
hundreds. I suspect they might have been used pretty strongly right out
of the box rather than broken in slowly.
Most of the time newer units fail because they are
pushed for fast cycling far exceeding normal refresh times. The
older 285 HV handled this well. We'll be monitoring the newer
ones. Regardless we are not responsible for a failure in
these guys. Get one, use it for a while and then send it in for
conversion if you feel better that way. If it fails it will do so fairly rapidly. If it
lasts through the breaking in period, send it in and go for it. You'll
have a great dependable light source. |
ISSUES, GUIDES, BATTERY PACKS:
I sell/sold/made/modified/altered a lot of packs for this unit in forty
years. The 285HV (all) uses a battery holder or clip for four "AA" batteries. I will be hacking it and making a module out of it.
Running this flash on
batteries is a disaster for a pro. Even worse for an amateur running on sheer
guts. You read me right. Flows like Molasses in
January. It is very slow on AA cells. You need a pack.
Another issue with this strobe is the guide number. The party line
states close to the following numbers for flashes and guide numbers. So
most reviewers or "repeatists" credit the great amount of flashes rather
than tell you about the guide number or 10-20 second charge times or speed.
I'm not an advocate of hyped-up over clocked strobes but 10-20 sec. between
flashes is too much unless the Bride fainted and the groom is dragging her by
the hair down the aisle or visa versa.
The slow recoup rates might be OK for
events like a Chess Match at an Alzheimer's Convention. Supposedly they
tested in Manual Mode, on a 75 Degree day. Strobe pre-flashed to warm
capacitor and other dull bits of info. I score it a ten on the B.S. meter. A
pack, mine, or almost anyone else's makes this into a lady.
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TEST ITEM |
RESULT |
CONDITIONS |
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Alkaline batteries: |
100 to 150 full-power flashes |
10-20 Sec |
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NiMH |
175+ and faster recycle times |
2500+ mah |
| Black
Box |
800-1000+ |
Instant
to 3 Sec. |
| GUIDE NUMBER |
120 -140
Varies by writer |
Alaska
during a white out. |
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CONCLUSION |
USE
A FLASH METER |
ONLY WAY |
OK, you just got some of the pitfalls. Me Negative, hell no, just
informative and I have no ties to them so I can tell it like it is. Because this is a really GREAT
STROBE based on it's heritage. In the camera business, as great an
evolutionary item as the first Pentax Spotmatic or Nikon F. Once you
get past the advertising, myths, B...S, eBay hype, and arse-to-lip
embellishers off their game, and use it to it's potential, it's a reliable,
tough workhorse that can take a lot more punishment than most of the
designer stuff today unless they are modified too far off the original
designs. I can tell you the shoe wiring is a lot thinner than was on
the originals.
BOTTOM LINE "Trust
your light meter, not the propaganda" and don't underestimate Chinese
quality, you might get a stinker. It's not bad though Of 100, so far
two or three have been bad and I caught them before we altered them. Once
they are altered, they will lose their warranty. But there is risk in
crossing a street, smoking in a dynamite factory, having a taste for
blowfish, and taking a sobriety test after eating gorgonzola cheese.
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| WHY YOU NEED ONE

We'll talk about a backup first. Most newer
photographers are what I call a linked buyer. It's brandsmanship. You own
a Nikon, you use a Nikon flash. You own a Canon, you use a Canon flash.
Some of which are so expensive you really can't afford anything else. Then you shoot a wedding and something fails and you are dead. No
backup.
Consider
this for a second, the
283/285's are are simple units. Their job is to make
light. They are built like tanks. They are strong, and the one
weak part, the foot breaks before it rips the top of your camera
off, and is easily repairable with a metal foot.
Downside, the 285’s big capacitor and breadboard are not fast on AA
cells. My battery packs were originally designed for this
slowpoke strobe almost 35 years
ago. The Armatar's and all the other aberrations were all modifications of the
285HV. It ain't no faster today. It is proven, they work and they
excel in REAL use and CAPACITY with my pack without accelerators or fly-back capacitors.
The
number one repair on the Vivitar 285, (I have cleaned a hundred) is the corrosion of the battery compartment
caused by people forgetting about leaking AA's, leaving them in
after a shoot hot and then moisture corrodes and ruptures the
cells and there goes
the compartment.
My pack eliminates that because we have NO batteries in the strobe period. In fact we
seal the compartment, that's right, we screw the door shut, no
modules fall out and we build our own modules on a full
conversion. I have never had anyone ask me to convert the
strobe back to batteries. You'll never go back to AA's.
THE DEAL
NOTE:
If you buy my BLACK BOX pack and have the
AA battery clip, I will build you a cable module for the LOW cost of
$15.00 each.
No pack, the price goes to 20.00. You heard me right! I have probably built a thousand of
these cables. They look like the one in the picture.
All offers do not include postage to you
unless we can combine it with another product you buy. It
depends on how much I can stuff safely in a FLAT RATE postal
box.
Send
the unit to me and I will do the conversion for $15.00 and that
includes the door slit, the fake batteries cable and DIN plug. I
will make you a HD straight low resistance fully soldered and hand
built 4 foot cable. Also available is 6-8-10 foot cables for
light stand use.
You must enclose the battery clip with it. I also convert
the "Black Box to two din ports so each box can power two
285HV's. There is a small charge for this upgrade of 12.00
plus shipping.
We can add the metal foot $15.00 Installed and do the door slit to finish the
conversion and turn that thing into a more reliable addition to
your flash package.
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VIVITAR
PRICING:
| ADD METAL FOOT |
Installed and
Tested |
$20.00 |
| ADD METAL FOOT with
ORDER of BB |
Installed and
Tested |
$15.00 |
MAKE MODULE
(CUSTOMER FURNISH) |
Fake Batteries, Parts,
DIN, 4ft. CABLE
Slit Door, add DIN and Tested |
$20.00 |
MAKE MODULE with
ORDER of BB
(CUSTOMER FURNISH) |
Fake Batteries, Parts,
DIN, 4ft. CABLE
Slit Door, add DIN and Tested |
$15.00 |
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PERFECTION and CHEAP!
Another great idea from the Gadgetmeister, the Frugal Guru
Striving
again to keep costs down and do the same job as the expensive units is
what I live for. It's not a cheap streak in me. I'm not that
frugal.
I will indulge myself when I feel a need for something nice. BUT a lot
of what's out there is pure hype and I consider that a fair target of
opportunity.
Anyway, the hot item is dueling Vivitars, and other dual flash setups.
You can also use either Canons Or Nikons if available and your pocket
can stand it. If not the Vivitars do a fine job. Light is light and as
long as you control IT, you are the photographer.
DENNIS REGGIE:
The revival of this technique gets credited to no other than Dennis
Reggie, though many of us have done this years ago before Dennis took
his first picture.
Actually this idea has been around for thirty, maybe forty
years or more.
BOB
NEWTON:
One of the first to use dual flashes was Bob Newton of Newton
Brackets. Dennis revived it when he decided to sell his bracket
for $200.00.
The ULTIMATE
VERSION:
We just make it a heck of a lot cheaper and better quality than the
other guys. We have seen some cut angle iron but that starts at
40.00 and that's a lot for simple unfinished iron. We go high
end, we send it off to the metal refinisher and edges buffed, de-
galvanized in part, acid bathed and then plated with the same stuff
used on 1000 dollar guns. In the photo above you can see the umbrella
holder base by PhotoFlex, the best one we have found and two of the
new Vivitar 1/4x20 bases. and the two front holes are for the pocket
wizards plus two smaller holes topside for safety wire.
It is constructed out of Zinc Coated Steel and is certified for Los
Angeles Earthquakes, Riots, Star studded Red Carpet Award Shows and
Florida Hurricanes. Also Jimmy Carter and Habitat for Humanity
endorsed these. If it will hold houses together, it will hold your
strobes and the entire project requires NO TOOLS, NO DRILLING and NO
SKILLS other than common sense.
Installation is nuts and bolts easy. The Black Box with two
VIVITARS shot into a umbrella does a great job with a decent F11 or
used side by side as a SUPER WIDE for those large Bridal shots
especially with some of the larger Brides and Wedding parties we have
today. Here are approximate costs of the parts and some of the
labor. It does not include the light stand, umbrella and holder.
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ITEM |
SOURCE |
AMOUNT NEEDED |
COST *** |
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VIVITAR 285's |
B&H or Adorama |
2 |
89.95 Ea. |
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Metal Feet (Optional) |
Ebay |
2 |
15.00 Ea: Installed |
PhotoFlex Umbrella
Holder |
B&H
Photoflex Heavy Duty Swivel Mount with Reversible Stud
Mfr# AC-ALSWMTB • B&H#
PHSM |
1 |
$22.50 |
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Jacobs Ultimate Dual Bracket in Black |
aljacobs.com |
1 |
$20.95 |
There are about 7 people making brackets for these pairs, it's a flooded market
just like mortgage brokers two years ago. Some are
money makers like Reggie's costing over $200 and one site has a piece
of angle metal for forty dollars plus, plus, plus. It is my
intent to bring you ideas and a great product for lesser costs. I
like that. Why?
Yours truly always looks for the best financial solution for my customers so they
have more money left over to purchase my products. This is the
ULTIMATE dual bracket.
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